Oh no - I forgot to open my anti sumping tap!!

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Postby itma » Tue Mar 01, 2011 9:19 pm

none of my singles have ever wet sumped.
I do leave them with the engine coming up to TDC, to ensure both valves are shut.
It would seem this leaves the oil pump parked in a favourable position.

and of course all of them run on that unmentionable thick stuff not the stuff with the consistency of cats piss.

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Postby ianselva » Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:28 pm

quote:

none of my singles have ever wet sumped.
I do leave them with the engine coming up to TDC, to ensure both valves are shut.
It would seem this leaves the oil pump parked in a favourable position.

and of course all of them run on that unmentionable thick stuff not the stuff with the consistency of cats piss.


I have seen this solution quoted quite often , but it doesn't seem to make any sense because the oil pump position is only related to the position you fitted it originally ?
Or is there something I'm missing.
I'm not saying it doesn't work just interested in why.

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Postby itma » Wed Mar 02, 2011 1:21 pm

I agree, it doesnt make any sense and I have no idea why it works.

Its a tip handed down over the years by various riders.
Fact is it works for me. For me thats good enough.

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Postby Lance » Wed Mar 02, 2011 3:37 pm

Hi All,

I've heard of leaving it on compression as well but also remember reading something about the reasons and did a search and came up with this:

http://www.ajs-matchless.com/article_read.asp?id=151

It explains the reasons for the wet sumping a bit more. You may not have to go to the trouble to add the indicator probe if leaving it on compression does the job but at least the article sheds some more light.

I remember seeing another writeup of someone who had added a perspex pump cover plate so they could see the pump position for the same reason.

Regards,
Lance

Edited by - Lance on 02 Mar 2011 4:00:33 PM

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Postby SPRIDDLER » Wed Mar 02, 2011 10:45 pm

quote:

I have seen this solution quoted quite often , but it doesn't seem to make any sense because the oil pump position is only related to the position you fitted it originally ?
Or is there something I'm missing.
I'm not saying it doesn't work just interested in why.



Maybe oil leaks (syphons?) past the pump plunger whatever its position, so, it may be now't to do with the pump plunger position at all.
Here comes a wild off-the-cuff thought: Could it be that when the piston is left at TDC the big end is higher than the plunger and c/shaft axle but when it's at BDC, it's at the same height as or lower than the pump plunger and axle?
Go on then, shoot me down, or provide a better theory
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Postby 1608 » Wed Mar 02, 2011 11:51 pm

Like the theory Nev, but the oil tank is still much higher than the crank at TDC and so will still drain by gravity. Mine has never wet sumped regardless of what position the crank is left.

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Postby SPRIDDLER » Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:17 am

Yebbut there's still a greater head of oil at BDC than TDC...?
Pass.

Atcherly, my '54 has never wet sumped either, but I did fit a new oil pump plunger when I rebuilt th'engine when purchased 5 years ago, after leaving the (previous owner's) anti-wet sumping tap shut for about 10 miles.
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Postby SPRIDDLER » Sat Mar 05, 2011 10:57 pm

Just come across this anti-sumping valve which you can't forget to turn on.
Never seen or used one.
Caveat emptor!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BSA-CLASSICS-ANTI-WET-SUMPING-VALVE-STAINLESS-/400199540456?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item5d2dc05ee8
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Postby PGGuse » Sat Mar 05, 2011 11:06 pm

Another (my) provocation: www.fotos.web.de/ajay01/ANTI_WET_SUMPING_TAP

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Postby milos » Sun Mar 06, 2011 8:10 am

Yes, I know this solution but my magnet has a cap with a button for turning off the engine. I would have to replace the cap, but I do not know which one is right, my cap is attached with two screws those with external contact are usualy have thread.

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